Curse

Hella Good · Nov 22, 2006, 09:30 PM // 21:30

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

You know what the worst part is? There are so few things in Elona that a ranger couldn't do just as well as a mesmer. Who needs a shutdown mesmer when Broadhead Arrow solves all problems with Ele bosses?

The only real use i've seen for a mesmer is giving Norgu Signet of Midnight so i can double team some high level bosses without the need to bother with lag issues or finding a solo build.

Perhaps i'm just not looking hard enough... but i've started to fall out of love with the mesmer.

The Ranger argument is broken. Yes, maybe Rangers are better at inters but I wouldn't say that inters is what Me are used for in PvE. Plus with the lower recharge on Power Return and the ever so powerful Psychic Distraction this is subject to argumentation, and I don't plan on heading that way. I have my Ranger hero set up as Crip Shot/inter, and I use my Mesmer for massive damage dealing with GoR/SP + utility skills like Shatter Hex and Power Drain. Does quite a lot of damage.

Redfeather1975 · Nov 23, 2006, 12:47 AM // 00:47

If things look sad....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-u8hi0RTbk

jesh · Nov 23, 2006, 04:08 AM // 04:08

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

You know what the worst part is? There are so few things in Elona that a ranger couldn't do just as well as a mesmer. Who needs a shutdown mesmer when Broadhead Arrow solves all problems with Ele bosses?

Why take broadhead arrow when you can just take concussion shot? It's not as if Jin misses those 1/4 second spells.

Kook~NBK~ · Nov 23, 2006, 04:48 AM // 04:48

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

You know what the worst part is? There are so few things in Elona that a ranger couldn't do just as well as a mesmer. Who needs a shutdown mesmer when Broadhead Arrow solves all problems with Ele bosses?

Who needs Broadhead arrow when Backfire on an Ele Boss will KILL IT extremely fast? (You know that ele boss in raisu pavilion? - Stupidest boss ever!!!)

Evilsod · Nov 24, 2006, 02:36 AM // 02:36

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Originally Posted by Hella Good

The Ranger argument is broken. Yes, maybe Rangers are better at inters but I wouldn't say that inters is what Me are used for in PvE. Plus with the lower recharge on Power Return and the ever so powerful Psychic Distraction this is subject to argumentation, and I don't plan on heading that way. I have my Ranger hero set up as Crip Shot/inter, and I use my Mesmer for massive damage dealing with GoR/SP + utility skills like Shatter Hex and Power Drain. Does quite a lot of damage.

Shatter Hex has always been that way though. Its obviously a really deadly skill against the right mob. The problem i have is that these heros seem to have no concept of Energy Management and priorities. A PD/PR mesmer hero would probably just interrupt everything till he drained himself dry. I guess it does have its bonus' against the deadly but weak bosses.

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Who needs Broadhead arrow when Backfire on an Ele Boss will KILL IT extremely fast? (You know that ele boss in raisu pavilion? - Stupidest boss ever!!!)

Have you ever fought a real ele boss? Like the Djinn 'Searing Flames' boss? The first time i did that mission the ele boss killed my entire party within 3 seconds, Backfire wouldn't have done anything. The Sandstorm boss you may be right, it spams Stone Daggers and would probably be dead in about 5 seconds, but BHA would make it fragbait w/o any use rather than a lethal enemy w/ suicidal tendencies.

I guess my love for the ranger > mesmer is probably because i'm better at timing ranger interrupts... i can still interrupt 3/4s spells (on a non-laggy day) by targetting it. But i just prefer ranger interrupts.

Sir Necromancer · Nov 24, 2006, 03:10 AM // 03:10

i think the only reason people say ele's are the most nerfed is because AoE skills RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed them, nad now the ele's don't understand targeting a single foe and killing them. i like ele's though, i'm running a Me/E build.

mesmer's are looked down upon by any commmon player of guild wars. i was searching for a group for a mission not to long ago and i invited my self to a dervish's group, and he responds by saying "mesmers are a waste of time". so many players say that about the mesmer. the reason: because mesmer's are not easy to play. its not your average warrior where all you have to do is run up to something and start swinging your sword and yelling shit. to play a good mesmer you need to be able to understand how skills work together. i hope mesmer's are not dying off because mesmer's are a very powerful class, when played right.

you know wat pisses me off....the fact that all the good mesmer elite skills are located in the ring of fire...lol i started a mesmer as my first character in nightfall, and i don't want to have to play through prophecies to get migraine or energy surge. lol but while i have been typing this i made the decision that i should go down to the ring of fire a cap a good elite mes skill, instead of using star burst like i am right now, lol.

mesmer's must live on.

Xpl0iter · Nov 24, 2006, 06:16 AM // 06:16

so are the mostly good prophicies based ele elites.

Brother Redmund · Nov 24, 2006, 06:33 AM // 06:33

Mesmers are included in a 8 man gvg party more often than not, they are incredibly versatile in pvp.

My mesmer is 15 months old and is getting better and more fun to use him even now, so he is farm from dead. I enjoy playing mesmer in pvp immensely and I will continue to do so for some time to come.

As for pve players claiming that "mesmers are a waste of time", I rest my case against them. Why make someone appear ignorant when they seem perfectly capable of doing it themselves.

Hella Good · Nov 24, 2006, 07:12 AM // 07:12

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

The problem i have is that these heros seem to have no concept of Energy Management and priorities.

I must agree. I have watched heroes use their skills and it's pathetic. Heroes are simply NPCs you can choose builds for but they have no idea how to play them. I see my Monks run their nrg to 0, with both GoLE and Sig of Devotion (they never use that one) and mostly 5 nrg spells (BL or PS being the costliest). I see my Ele nuke a Spirit with Meteor Shower (why I dropped the skill from his skill bar). List goes on and on. Heroes are what could've been a great improvement but turned out to be lotsa smoke but no fire.

And that Searing Flames boss is ridiculously insane. Or maybe it's the goddamn 3 Roaring Ethers with him, spike Surging + Mistrust and Resing each other like crazy. What an annoying cap...

@Sir Necromancer. E-surge (core) is right outside Kodash in the Mirror of Lyss. Boss is a Roaring Ether. Frustration > Migraine, so I wouldn't bother with that one for the time being. But an elite you def need on your Me is GoR. And that's in Perdition Rock on a hydra... so yea... But to be fair RoFire has one of the most pathetic Me elites, too, Fevered Dreams. But stuff like Ineptitude has to be capped in Tyria. So yea, Tyria still has the best Me eites.

LightningHell · Nov 24, 2006, 07:24 AM // 07:24

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Originally Posted by Hella Good

I must agree. I have watched heroes use their skills and it's pathetic. Heroes are simply NPCs you can choose builds for but they have no idea how to play them. I see my Monks run their nrg to 0, with both GoLE and Sig of Devotion (they never use that one) and mostly 5 nrg spells (BL or PS being the costliest). I see my Ele nuke a Spirit with Meteor Shower (why I dropped the skill from his skill bar). List goes on and on. Heroes are what could've been a great improvement but turned out to be lotsa smoke but no fire.

And that Searing Flames boss is ridiculously insane. Or maybe it's the goddamn 3 Roaring Ethers with him, spike Surging + Mistrust and Resing each other like crazy. What an annoying cap...

@Sir Necromancer. E-surge (core) is right outside Kodash in the Mirror of Lyss. Boss is a Roaring Ether. Frustration > Migraine, so I wouldn't bother with that one for the time being. But an elite you def need on your Me is GoR. And that's in Perdition Rock on a hydra... so yea... But to be fair RoFire has one of the most pathetic Me elites, too, Fevered Dreams. But stuff like Ineptitude has to be capped in Tyria. So yea, Tyria still has the best Me eites.

I got tired of the Searing Flames boss and made Melonni an interrupter with Power Block.

Don't you now say Mesmers are useless now.

IMO, many Mesmer elites aren't Mesmer elites at all. For example, Divert Hexes, Blinding Surge, Glyph of Renewal...

Kook~NBK~ · Nov 24, 2006, 07:52 AM // 07:52

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

Have you ever fought a real ele boss? Like the Djinn 'Searing Flames' boss? The first time i did that mission the ele boss killed my entire party within 3 seconds, Backfire wouldn't have done anything. The Sandstorm boss you may be right, it spams Stone Daggers and would probably be dead in about 5 seconds, but BHA would make it fragbait w/o any use rather than a lethal enemy w/ suicidal tendencies.

Yes, I did take on that boss, in two differenent places. (He's only with a coule of other baddies up in Turai's Procession outside the Remains of Sahlahia - so he's easier to deal with there) And yes, Searing Flames hurts! But, just interrupt that and let him cast his other garbage.

You see, when using Backfire on an Ele, there are some things you do need to keep from happening. Like allowing your party get blasted by searing heat, or a meteor shower from an Terrorweb ripping up your group. I've found that Backfire is better used on Necros, Monks, and Mesmers, tho.

lightblade · Nov 24, 2006, 09:07 AM // 09:07

I use Power Block for those Ruby Djinns, works like a charm

S_Serpent · Nov 24, 2006, 09:50 AM // 09:50

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Originally Posted by Siddious

Fire eles got nerfed the most? ermmm... If I remember correctly eles got a huge buff all round.

waahahaha, thats a joke, eles have been nerfed for over more then 12 months basicly and now with that last updated had a reinstatement to what they where supposed to be in the manual. And don't say after 1 month that mesmers are nerfed to dead, eles know what it is to have been nerfed to dead, they have such long cast times its was ridiculous for the silly amount of dmg it did, and there is a very long list with more screwed play of the ele during the "Dark Ages of the Elementalist". The Metagame will always change! So will professions evolve within these boundaries.

So for 12 month the mesmer had become the only true magic caster (and know I play em both), leaving the ele stand in the most darkest catacombs in guildwars and still it was the laughing stock of all professions.

Now both proffessions are on par again. Everbody here that plays a mesmer well, will always reap havoc on there foes everytime they leave a town. Mesmer are still very top notch and versatile.

Draiyne Valure · Nov 29, 2006, 08:38 PM // 20:38

I think that the problem may be that people want to play "the cool classes"; people look at factions and go "omfg an assassin awesome", they play nightfall and go "wtf wow a scythe". At first glance people might overlook them because they don't seem to do anything spectacular.

These people probably get massacred by someone playing a mes and then try it out, and either can't play it right or they stick with it.

Dean Harper · Nov 29, 2006, 11:33 PM // 23:33

i have to agree 100%. However, the Warrior and Sin ARE NOT THAT COOL!!! in reality, the assassin is just as hard to play as a mesmer if you dont know wat ur doing, and a war is nothing spectacular except for a few high damage skills and nice shouts. Ritualists are not used at all any more except by a select few who use one of two types (spirit spammer or restoration). Dervishes, i have to say ARE pretty cool and fun to play, alongside the Paragon. But overall, mesmers just provide that fun factor that you cant get with any other profession.

Effigy · Nov 30, 2006, 12:31 AM // 00:31

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Originally Posted by Dean Harper

a war is nothing spectacular except for a few high damage skills and nice shouts

If by "nothing spectacular" you mean "the most dangerous and durable offensive class in the game," then I agree wholeheartedly.

On topic, mesmers are far from dead. If you're looking for "dead," allow me to redirect you to the Ritualist forum.

*Darcy* · Nov 30, 2006, 01:35 AM // 01:35

Wow! Maybe someone WILL start a "Are warriors dying?" thread after all. After all, they can't hold aggro anymore, what use are they? (Ouch, I think my warrior just kicked me.)

Warriors and assasins main problem is because they are up front and personal with the enemy, they die a lot. This makes the monk class hate them. Mesmers on the other hand are loved by monks, because they almost never need healing. (Have you noticed how in PvE, they are the last class to draw fire? That's because the AI doesn't realize the mesmer is doing anything. Or maybe even they are fascinated by the clothes and beauty and don't want to mess it up.)

So, when a group leader says he doesn't want a mesmer, tell him to ask the monk's opinion. If the monk says "no", then you don't want to join the group anyway. They will not succeed with such a bad monk.

Redfeather1975 · Nov 30, 2006, 01:41 AM // 01:41

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Originally Posted by Darcy

So, when a group leader says he doesn't want a mesmer, tell him to ask the monk's opinion. If the monk says "no", then you don't want to join the group anyway. They will not succeed with such a bad monk.

I have to try that next time. That's funny.
Oh yeah. Little Hadrian has some grey hair now. I think he is dying.
Maybe in 30-40 years he will be no more.

Made In Ascalon · Nov 30, 2006, 08:02 PM // 20:02

My only problem with mesmers in their current stage is how bad some of the nightfall elites for them are (Extend Conditions? Symbols of Inspiration? Simple Thievery? Air of Disenchantment? There are way better alternatives.) I have the same problem with ritualist NF elites.

XvArchonvX · Nov 30, 2006, 08:36 PM // 20:36

I wouldn't say that mesmers are dying by any means. I do believe that in PvE a primary mesmer will often no perform as well as another primary profession that is better suited for enemies coming in massive mobs and dying quickly, but for all practical purposes, a mesmer should be able to get through PvE just fine. The comparison could be made that a N/Me using mesmer skills could perform better than a mesmer primary in PvE, but a Me/N could use necro skills and perform better than a primary necro.

To put it simply, the qualities of a primary mesmer might keep them from running as efficient as other classes in PvE, there is no doubt that mesmer skills are excellent and that primary mesmers will still pwn in PvP.